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Lena, one of the most frequent complaints of parent – child nothing exciting. Please tell us how to captivate a child – particularly mathematics?

It is very difficult to captivate the child than not keen on yourself. I, for example, failed to attach to Masha music because music lessons did not give me any pleasure. A math – that’s what we with the car Dad, who graduated with honors from MSU, and defended it, I wonder, we realize that it’s very cool, beautiful, boldly. Mathematics – is something beautiful, and it is an endless challenge, and each new task – is to overcome itself.

As Masha became interested in mathematics? Have you tried it in this direction to turn, to show her that there are interesting, or you spread out in front of her a lot of different possibilities, she tried it and it stopped at math?

She tried different: taught languages, engaged in drawing and modeling, and I must say, it all turned out. The teacher of Russian thought that Masha should be engaged in philology. But we decided to change schools because there was a crisis: combined two classes, and began complexity, for example, there are children who have become disrupt lessons. And we went to the Second matkruzhok school. Masha was fascinated and teachers, and children. At that time it was still not clear that mathematics – it is ours, but we decided to see, because Masha always liked math and good at it turns out, and literally within three months of circles in the Second school she made a significant breakthrough.

“We have to do” should be taught

Is it possible to expand the interest components of success in your case: it has helped to genetics, here – the influence of the family, and here – a good teacher and technique?

It is difficult to determine the proportion, but it certainly worked all: teachers and parent input – in this case my father’s, and beloved older brother, Yuri Ivanovich’s son from his first marriage, from which he graduated with honors and with honors Mekhmat – Harvard. Although they are not often seen, his role model played a major role: it clever and wonderful in all respects, so Mary wants to be like him. And besides, when the brother comes, they have a great topics of conversation: here we have a field, here we have a homomorphism, and here such a cool challenge! It turns out that the children have something to talk about on a par with older people respected them, and this also has an element of study. And before the evening it was mathematical tale: Dad came to them at night in the bedroom and told me something.

What exactly? There was a hedgehog, hare and he gave two apples …?

No, more complex, but he wrote it on the fly and immediately forgotten.

Mathematics – is not for everyone?

It seems to me, for all, just maybe, someone lucky with the teachers, some do not, someone began to engage in a very early, and someone rattled, and there was the clip. Perhaps there are people with some organic problem that is very difficult to learn something, but probably not many.

You do not believe in this division – the humanities and mathematics?

Absolutely not. I think any person is talented in everything or not. Those examples that I have seen in my life, I suggest that either the one and the other turns out well, or does not work. My father, for example, in the graduating class chose between medicine, journalism and engineering education. He chose the latter, has become one of the best professionals in their field, with excellent writing and feels perfect people, I have no doubt that he choose something else, it would not reach lower altitudes. And the ability to work – it is the quality that the child can be brought up.

For me it is a very interesting question because, watching the process of learning in doshkolke and primary school has become the gaming and entertainment, I have, on the one hand, I am pleased, on the other hand – I am afraid that the children because it does not accustom to the monotonous repetitive work, which is inevitable in the future. You do not see this problem?

It seems to me that the great role played by energy radiated by the teacher, because even rather boring things you can do exciting, fun, dynamic, and I know of teachers who are able to turn a boring-looking examples of the fascinating quest. But I believe that the ability to monotonous work, to engage in routine – it is an important life skill, without it anywhere, and the school it perforce raises.

And his family somehow brings?

Yes, of course, because our lives are many routine: brushing your teeth in the morning, shower, cleaning the bed, the fees for school – it’s all routine. Where do without it?

There have been any cases when Masha had to force something to do?

In primary school – of course. This is not about some specific subjects, and that the child wants to read, play, and my mother said, it is necessary to do an exercise in Russian. It is sad, but without this in any way, because the homework must be done. But it was only in elementary school. Now the load is such that everything to do homework perfectly and on time is physically impossible. Masha to maneuver, and she somehow manages to do it, often with the teachers: they help to understand what you need to spend forces and what can be left on the sidelines without what to do.

That is, in elementary school, you sat with the children’s lessons. And what would have happened if you were not with them?

Vanya in the first and second class just would not do his homework – he would play, read. I think that helping children with their homework very similar to teaching a child to ride a bicycle: first, he rides a bicycle with two small additional wheels, and then you remove one side wheel, then shoot the second and hold the steering wheel, then run around, and then you his release. Gradually we allowed the child more independence, but it happened very smoothly. I think the smooth – a guarantee of the absence of stress.

It is the seat of the lessons when you want to play and have to do your homework, do not cause an aversion to the lessons?

It’s a family setting: it’s your job, it is necessary to do all the work there – Dad, Mom. I do not thirst for washing dishes, vacuuming, but it is necessary, you can not leave the kitchen dirty, should be removed. This may not be a lot of fun, but it must be done, and when we’re done, we can do something more fun. The concept of “must do” should be taught, not born with it.

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Lena, one of the most frequent complaints of parent – child nothing exciting. Please tell us how to captivate a child – particularly mathematics?

It is very difficult to captivate the child than not keen on yourself. I, for example, failed to attach to Masha music because music lessons did not give me any pleasure. A math – that’s what we with the car Dad, who graduated with honors from MSU, and defended it, I wonder, we realize that it’s very cool, beautiful, boldly. Mathematics – is something beautiful, and it is an endless challenge, and each new task – is to overcome itself.

As Masha became interested in mathematics? Have you tried it in this direction to turn, to show her that there are interesting, or you spread out in front of her a lot of different possibilities, she tried it and it stopped at math?

She tried different: taught languages, engaged in drawing and modeling, and I must say, it all turned out. The teacher of Russian thought that Masha should be engaged in philology. But we decided to change schools because there was a crisis: combined two classes, and began complexity, for example, there are children who have become disrupt lessons. And we went to the Second matkruzhok school. Masha was fascinated and teachers, and children. At that time it was still not clear that mathematics – it is ours, but we decided to see, because Masha always liked math and good at it turns out, and literally within three months of circles in the Second school she made a significant breakthrough.

“We have to do” should be taught

Is it possible to expand the interest components of success in your case: it has helped to genetics, here – the influence of the family, and here – a good teacher and technique?

It is difficult to determine the proportion, but it certainly worked all: teachers and parent input – in this case my father’s, and beloved older brother, Yuri Ivanovich’s son from his first marriage, from which he graduated with honors and with honors Mekhmat – Harvard. Although they are not often seen, his role model played a major role: it clever and wonderful in all respects, so Mary wants to be like him. And besides, when the brother comes, they have a great topics of conversation: here we have a field, here we have a homomorphism, and here such a cool challenge! It turns out that the children have something to talk about on a par with older people respected them, and this also has an element of study. And before the evening it was mathematical tale: Dad came to them at night in the bedroom and told me something.

What exactly? There was a hedgehog, hare and he gave two apples …?

No, more complex, but he wrote it on the fly and immediately forgotten.

Mathematics – is not for everyone?

It seems to me, for all, just maybe, someone lucky with the teachers, some do not, someone began to engage in a very early, and someone rattled, and there was the clip. Perhaps there are people with some organic problem that is very difficult to learn something, but probably not many.

You do not believe in this division – the humanities and mathematics?

Absolutely not. I think any person is talented in everything or not. Those examples that I have seen in my life, I suggest that either the one and the other turns out well, or does not work. My father, for example, in the graduating class chose between medicine, journalism and engineering education. He chose the latter, has become one of the best professionals in their field, with excellent writing and feels perfect people, I have no doubt that he choose something else, it would not reach lower altitudes. And the ability to work – it is the quality that the child can be brought up.

For me it is a very interesting question because, watching the process of learning in doshkolke and primary school has become the gaming and entertainment, I have, on the one hand, I am pleased, on the other hand – I am afraid that the children because it does not accustom to the monotonous repetitive work, which is inevitable in the future. You do not see this problem?

It seems to me that the great role played by energy radiated by the teacher, because even rather boring things you can do exciting, fun, dynamic, and I know of teachers who are able to turn a boring-looking examples of the fascinating quest. But I believe that the ability to monotonous work, to engage in routine – it is an important life skill, without it anywhere, and the school it perforce raises.

And his family somehow brings?

Yes, of course, because our lives are many routine: brushing your teeth in the morning, shower, cleaning the bed, the fees for school – it’s all routine. Where do without it?

There have been any cases when Masha had to force something to do?

In primary school – of course. This is not about some specific subjects, and that the child wants to read, play, and my mother said, it is necessary to do an exercise in Russian. It is sad, but without this in any way, because the homework must be done. But it was only in elementary school. Now the load is such that everything to do homework perfectly and on time is physically impossible. Masha to maneuver, and she somehow manages to do it, often with the teachers: they help to understand what you need to spend forces and what can be left on the sidelines without what to do.

That is, in elementary school, you sat with the children’s lessons. And what would have happened if you were not with them?

Vanya in the first and second class just would not do his homework – he would play, read. I think that helping children with their homework very similar to teaching a child to ride a bicycle: first, he rides a bicycle with two small additional wheels, and then you remove one side wheel, then shoot the second and hold the steering wheel, then run around, and then you his release. Gradually we allowed the child more independence, but it happened very smoothly. I think the smooth – a guarantee of the absence of stress.

It is the seat of the lessons when you want to play and have to do your homework, do not cause an aversion to the lessons?

It’s a family setting: it’s your job, it is necessary to do all the work there – Dad, Mom. I do not thirst for washing dishes, vacuuming, but it is necessary, you can not leave the kitchen dirty, should be removed. This may not be a lot of fun, but it must be done, and when we’re done, we can do something more fun. The concept of “must do” should be taught, not born with it.

Lena, can we achieve the result of this level without the involvement of parents in the learning process?

My involvement rather institutional. I’m not solve the problem with them – just because I can not deal with them. My function was to provide children with as much information to help make the choice to find good teachers, organized a training mode, to provide conditions for study, to carry on mugs. Also, I did everything to children admitted to these clubs, so that they can go to the mathematical battles. With Vanya was a very great effort, for example. To get it to matboi in Kazan, then in Kirov, I went to the only accompanying with six children, five of whom I saw for the first time in my life, I was responsible for them in full. It was very scary, it was a serious stress – go with the boys, that protrude from the train window, climb in the electric meter and then just do not do. But the effort is certainly worth the outcome – and Vanya, and his new friends, gained invaluable experience: and solve complex problems, and teamwork.

“How I lived without this beauty?”

Lena looks like the Machine day?

Standard Machine day starts at 7 am. The child gets up, washes, eats breakfast, goes to school. At school, usually 7 lessons, two of them mathematics, physics. And the school certainly gives very good mathematical basis. Then there are the mathematical circles – sometimes at school, sometimes it is, and it is usually to late evening. From time to time Masha goes to charges – this is a two-three-week trips to Moscow or in Sochi, and every day there are children decide decide decide, sometimes until 11 pm. It’s a marathon: it is sometimes half-day weekends, at different gatherings different mode. Mezhnarovskie fees ( fees to prepare for international competition -. Ed. ) – It is twenty days, and in the middle of a day off, that is, ten days children solve problems from morning till evening. Masha is very interesting, and she gets pleasure from the process. This year, she went to the Independent University of Moscow to engage in high school math, and some time after that, she began to walk, said: “Mom, how I lived without this beauty?”

And as Masha with the load and fatigue?

Mary found her a wonderful way to relieve stress from serious problems: after the competition she usually watches movies in English or French – probably begin to work some other lobe. There is no problem of fatigue, but Masha has the opposite effect when it is actively relaxes, she dramatically bad mood. She was bored just lying on the beach with a book. It can bring myself to a day or two, and then begins a few hours before returning to Moscow, where she goes to school “Contemporary Mathematics” and, finally, there will be life – and this despite the fact that the beach it is also solves the problem, because that brought to a collection. But she was interested to solve problems in the company.

And as Masha with other objects?

She is an excellent student.

As it turns out, taking into account charges for two to three weeks, competitions and other things?

School helps in every way goes to meet: Masha allow anything to pass with a delay, something close their eyes, something she could not pass. Then, when the Olympiad children come to school math test after a month’s absence, if they write it for five – and they are, of course, write it on a five – they are released from the homework: it is clear to the teacher that check school knowledge does not make sense . But, of course, some items require additional efforts, and Masha had to string up to dosdat biology and geography. However, it was all very kindly, but I fear that in the second school is always a problem when the kids go to the training camp and the Olympic Games, then difficult to catch up. But I see and Vanya, he easily catches.

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Who do you see Masha professionally?

For me it is still a mystery. I think she can turn scientific work. A year ago, it seemed that it was unlikely, but she went to NMU, and it was so interesting, I admit that it will entice research.

Would you want her to do research here?

In Russia? Why not? Sit with your computer can be anywhere, this is the age of the Internet, open borders, joint laboratory work. Machine dream – to go the way of the elder brother, in consulting, because in many ways it is also the solution of problems, and each time the custom. I understand that this work requires a serious intellectual effort, and this is exactly what Mary is looking for in life. And this work is always very versatile: there are constantly new challenges from various fields that require a wide variety of knowledge, makes us constantly learn.

For enthusiastic children are secondary conditions

Is Mary faced with the fact that she was jealous?

Yes – we feel in elementary school, and it’s more passed from parents. Masha came out of school, and she flew back to the audience: “That is our star.” But it quite quickly learned not to pay attention to it. In the current school all very kindly, all genuinely happy for her.

That is, in its mathematical school Masha, despite the fact that it is surrounded by mathematicians close to her level, do not have this competition?

No. Everyone understands that to climb these steps, you need a lot of stick. Not everyone is ready, and not all of it is necessary. Someone engaged in music, some in French, and is going to go to the Sorbonne, one wants to enter the bioengineering and is actively engaged in biology … No, the relationship is very good, there is no envy.

Do you expect difficulties in connection with the fact that your children are, in fact, in a very narrow circle of favorites?

Yes, of course, it is a refined circle. But, on the other hand, the child goes to public transport, travels to a variety of the city on the fees and mathematical competitions.

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Not arises whether Masha problems with unfamiliar food terms?

It gradually gets used and now believes that it is the second, although the conditions are very different. In China, for example, the shower was on another floor, and there was no hot water, but the toilet and say terrible. Local food, they have almost could not – the child dropped a few kilos per week. But for these enthusiastic boys are secondary conditions.

I was told a wonderful story about Sarov. It was the final All-Russian math – Masha, however, did not go, she was still a little – children living in the school, sleeping in classrooms, whether the shower – I do not know, the toilets is clearly not enough, but it was good there, because class, where they slept, was the board, and they can decide! For me, the question was originally home is very important – I’m sensitive to the fact that there would be my girl, where she will sleep, will warm to her. But I realized that the very different conditions are inevitable, and if we go down this path, then we must learn to take it easy. Mary thinks I worry a lot, even though they do not experience when calling a child from China among the night and says, “Mom, we can not sleep, we’ve got a giant cockroaches!”.

With younger children, we have become softer

Does a mutual relationship of your children that they have a common interest – mathematics, or, on the contrary, it develops competition between them?

No, what kind of competition there is no question – they have so many common topics of conversation, and they support each other at all stages. One comes with problems with the Olympic Games, the second rushes to help, disassemble, and sometimes even helps Vanya Masha.

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Would not it be Vanya and Anya difficult to achieve the same results – because Mary asked very high standards?

This problem was Vanya in the fifth grade, he was going through, if I can have it, but now it is not: in the first place, it became clear that he gets, and secondly, they are different. Vanya, for example, with great interest to study physics. However, physics, according to Masha – is vastly mathematics, and never engaged in physics, but to the lessons of the Second school without visiting any clubs and electives, she went to the All-Russian final in physics. And … I did not go to him, because it coincided with the Olympics in Mathematics in Romania. We can not say that it is not a physicist because physics is well aware of, but choosing between physics and mathematics, it is, of course, choose the math, more exact science.

Have you ever thought about foreign universities?

We thought, but decided that at this stage it does not make sense, because the Mathematics Department of the Higher School of Economics – a very strong faculty, there are a great preparation. Besides Masha only 16 years old, she is home and does not want to go anywhere. At the training camp and competitions she misses, calling, “Mommy, I want to be with you.” Unlike Vanya, by the way, that, perhaps, bored, but do not moan.

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And Anna, the youngest?

Anna never had from me was leaving, but I think it is the same home, and tied to the family, like Mary, they are similar. But Ivan I dial on charges eleventh times, hear the background noise of revelry: “Mom, I love you almost do not hear, we play” Mafia “in our” What? Where? When?”. He once. I believe, therefore, it is good there. He left home for a month, and he was fine.

With Vanya and Anya did you use the same methods as with Masha?

With younger children, we probably have become softer, especially with Anna. Anya I no longer indulge.

And yet, for his age, they show impressive results.

About Anya is difficult to say, it is quite small. She participated in the Olympic Games for the kids, yes, he acted successfully enough, but there she is real, serious test: the spring it will be during the second school, see how it will pass the exams, because there is competition, of course, be serious. There are motivated and trained children, a very high level of competition.

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The eldest son of George Michael, Maria, Anna and Ivan

Lena, what you personally experience teaches machine, Vanino, Anya’s learning?

Primarily that insignificant evaluation.

Nevertheless, an excellent student Masha.

She is an excellent student, but it is not an end in itself – it so it turns out, but we do not set such a task. Although initially, in the first grades and high school, there was just such a task in front of her. I myself studied at the well and her husband was an excellent student, all grandparents with medals, how can we otherwise have to be all five, four – a disgrace, a triple – the horror of what we did not know twos. And now I look in the electronic journal, God forbid, once a month.

That is Vanina and Anina elementary school were no longer under this slogan?

No, this was not already perfect, though Vanya went very well, and Anya was an excellent student, but it generally was not a criterion of success.

What criteria to you?

The way a child works, in what mood he sits for the lessons as he gets. And that for this set – is immaterial.

What else have accumulated interesting conclusions, in addition to unimportance marks?

We need to look carefully for the child and understand when to retreat. We must learn to be flexible. No need to load a child under the plan. We are faced with some problems, but if I see that it is not until, well, okay. Sometimes you need to relax and let things take their course – but up to a point, of course. If you learn to balance, all certainly succeed.

Dmitrieva Ksenia Knorre

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